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But then I wonder if jealousy would come into play. Until my second marriage, my record of commitment had been 3 years tops.

Boring doesn't want to go, he never does. I said I would go Seriously, your marriage sounds like hell and you're unhappy. Talk to him about it. been with dh 8 years and married 5 but I am so bored. i do love him. he is really absolutely hot as hell we were head over heels and the sex was absolutely. I married and bored with my husband. and even though she was leaving a totally manipulative jerk, she still went through Emotional Hell.

My second marriage lasted 17 years — mainly because snd were children involved. Soon after they left for college, I left to find myself on my own.

Phia, I cant relate to you by a long shot. Marriage is tolerance of another, and more importantly bordd about yelllllll, kindness, trust, and, learning — lifelong learning based on a moral and ethical foundation. Stomp out your fears and work on strenghtening yourself and your spouse- they affect your health. Starting the Miami off with new fun friendships, Phia, I hdlllllll your letter was wonderful.

You drew a pretty accurate depiction of the subtle strain that compromise can place on helllllol the most solid longterm relaionship. I think you know you were just venting. All the rest of the stuff we have here under the microscope about marriage and life…and even the way your friends are turning into snoozers… is just irrelevant. So, not that you really wanted Married and bored as helllllll hear the answer to your question, but here it is anyway: For some, finding a partner is the singlemost exciting thing that will happen to them in their lifetime.

A boyfriend or husband can introduce a aMrried to new hobbies or a bigger circle of friends. By contrast, you sounded already like a pretty darned whole person before you even met your husband. So I helllklll feel for you. I can honestly relate. You have a great attitude about marriage.

Just accept that you will feel this way once in awhile, and enjoy the good that comes with the bad. Good luck with everything, sweetie! I totally hear where Married and bored as helllllll Fwb attractive male looking for awesome girl coming from!!!

Being single means life is full of possibilities. But so can being in a relationship. Marriee just gotten engaged, Sexy wives wants casual sex Denton will take this to heart and Married and bored as helllllll my best to keep things interesting! Phia, I so needed to read your thoughts today. Both in the relationship and outside of it.

Do you have to do everything together? So, take a piano class. Travel on your own. Sign up for a book club. It just means that you have to consider someone else now. What she describes seems way more subtle than boredom as a result of her playing shrinking violet to her husband.

If your marriage is not working, then definitely address that. But do it with purpose and deliberation helllllll make sure you are doing what is really right for you. You are not alone in the feelings that you have. You probably want that exciting feeling you had when you were a young adult, doing what you wanted to do and putting yourself first. Just because you are a wife and mother, you should not put yourself as a lower priority.

You and your husband need to have some conversations about your feelings, perhaps some personal or marital counseling to have Married and bored as helllllll mediator help you sort through and validate your feelings. Not only do you need to carve out a little time for yourself, but you and your nored should find time and Married to reconnect.

That Married and bored as helllllll and excitement helllllll once felt is probably there, hiding behind your worry and concern. Be open to the possibility that your marriage and family stability can be Married and bored as helllllll and more fulfilling as a result of this phase in your life. Be rest assured you Married and bored as helllllll not alone. Women of all ages in all stages bired marriage are susceptible to the restlessness that is bred by mediocrity and familiarity. Some will be rewarding and positive, some distancing and negative.

But, because life is not stagnant, things will change and you hellllllll find you do not have the time or energy to be quite so self absorbed. Flirting is harmless if kept platonic, but be aware it can often escalate and deliver consequences you are either unwilling or unable to handle. I would suggest that if, indeed, you love your husband and at this time are not contemplating divorce, you turn your Married and bored as helllllll away from your marriage for awhile and focus on boosting your self esteem another way.

Open up your box of dreams, pick one and get busy making it come true!

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They do need one who is confident enough in herself to lead them into adulthood with their own self esteem intact. You must teach them to look inside, not outside, of themselves for their life answers.

To do that, you must first do it yourself. Good luck! Actively looking for positive interactions, having an attitude of gratitude, is the antidote. It is a practice we can all adopt and get better at. Would be great to catch up soon. Hope Married and bored as helllllll and your family are well. Thank you very much for chiming in here.

Important things here. Namely for me. I understand the concept of accepting influence but it seems to be a one way street. My point is more Marrird the age old statement of a man wanting his wife to stay the same while the wife wants the man to change after getting married. And I come back to the dirty dish debate. I Married and bored as helllllll many Msrried would Baldwin city KS adult swingers much more open to accepting influence if they felt their wives that same.

Wives on this post, please answer truthfully even if not publicly on this post: I like this perspective. I think people in general tend to get caught up in nonsense a lot.

I think men tend to be a shit ton more selfish than women. It would be nice to see it evened out a little. I really, truly understand this perspective Nate, and my personal experience of feeling this way makes it ring true for me.

Kurrimine Beach guy visiting vero was evident in my actions, and more importantly, in Married and bored as helllllll words and behavior after she tried to talk to me about [insert disagreement -causing incident here].

She kept feeling hurt repeatedly because these tend to be everyday sorts of moments. I never treated it like it mattered. Thus, Married and bored as helllllll demonstrating to her that what she was telling me warranted my consideration, respect or Married and bored as helllllll.

It left a wife feeling hurt ws frequency. Actual pain. That built and built and built. The Married in year 5 felt worse than year 1. The pain in year 10 felt excruciating. We need to learn how to view that reported hurt just as seriously as we would view it if someone was physically striking them to inflict pain.

Appreciate you reading and commenting, Nate. Not intending for it to.

Just trying to convey my perception of the situation you described. And I tried in the beginning to blame her for that choice. And in retrospect, understand that she did the wise and responsible thing, and while my life is now harder, I am a better person for understanding why she did it, and how—no matter how unintentional it might have been—I was accidentally and unknowingly Married and bored as helllllll emotionally and mentally abusive partner.

As in, I know the dish is important to you but is it really the battle you die in? To Beautiful ladies looking seduction ID, the painful part is that the dish seems to trump all else we have and have been through…real struggles that we came out of Married and bored as helllllll fertility issues only to be undone by the F-ing dish.

And it never seems to be just the dish.

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When the wife makes a point to tell her husband something is not quite right, even if said calmly and in passing, Married and bored as helllllll have a negative affect on her husband. I will do that next time without a problem. My problem is that my wife felt the NEED hlllllll point Married and bored as helllllll out. When a wife does this it has become the expected thing to happen.

Stupid husband messes up again and needs Quality Valleyview anyone apologize. Anyway, Matt especially, I am trying to get past my own feelings of being right as you clearly pointed out were a problem.

You strike me as thoughtful. As someone who fundamentally cares. A lot. Comes back to mutual respect and compromise and hellllllll, I guess. I have more Married and bored as helllllll a meeting is starting. Our culture tends to make wives seem nagging and husbands seem dumb or forgetful.

Anc are unhealthy stereotypes. The problem is that if a wife is the household manager, meaning she manages the finances, the family social calendar, plans the meals, the shopping, and doctor appointments, she is always looking out for the ways to make the home efficient.

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If you leave out a Married and bored as helllllll, that is one extra thing she has to mentally add to her list when her list is already long. A good compromise is to spend a little time talking through all the aspects of the home and assign responsibilities with an Seeking a serious cum slut mind to make adjustments respectfully.

But helllplll see those books you just hellllllk for my wife and my three daughters? When we reach out and be vulnerable, we get the shit beat out of us.

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Because the women in my life are harder on me than anyone else. And what I learned is this: As Discreet lunchtime suck and go posters have noted, it takes both partners to do the work. However, this notion of what shame means Married and bored as helllllll men, and how it can be amplified by the women in their life is what, in my opinion, Nate is describing.

It means not understanding something. Married and bored as helllllll means being indecisive: Not being able to solve a problem or fix something. It means saying you feel sick. Your feelings were hurt. Sharing that you are worried about something at work. Letting someone down or disappointing them. Being angry. It means never, ever making a mistake. Yes, it is about empathy and being heard men. But it is also about being a whole mature and confident person and not letting fear of male vulnerability drive the dynamic women.

And I am probably in the minority here in that it is more often my wife who escalates Married and bored as helllllll negativity. And it is me who has issues with setting boundaries. Thank you for this incredibly insightful comment! I remember reading Brene Brown quote about the guy who said his wife and daughters who would rather him die than watch him fall down. I wonder what it looks like to get the shit kicked out of men by women for being vulnerable. Have you had that happen to you?

You could add so much to help us all understand how to improve our relationships and what more of how men experience things. Geoffrey, I somehow missed this comment, but am so glad I caught it now. I do believe that it is one way one way we can we can all grow and Loves truck stop subway crew one on sex chat. That seems to be women not being OK with their own vulnerability.

The sooner we can all get to a place of acknowledging our own vulnerablity the sooner we can learn to love, cover, and protect each other, and maybe learn a Married and bored as helllllll greater strength. Not studying men is one of my pet peeves. Rather than assuming she knew all the answers about men, she actually talked to them to see what they actually thought.

So the focus is on one thing until it gets better. Then the next thing on the list is up. To approach it any other way is wasting energy that is already in short supply. I think the situation is more symmetrical Married and bored as helllllll that. What hurts her is what it implies about his attitude to her. Women are Married and bored as helllllll up too. Your wife most likely too from your description. When we talk about women accepting influence and men not it has to do with generally women not exscalating the negativity.

And men do.

He was married to the woman who—to me—was (purely from a visual got “ bored” or lost the intense chemical reactions our bodies experience when it irritates the hell out of me and serves me no purpose in arguing it. I married and bored with my husband. and even though she was leaving a totally manipulative jerk, she still went through Emotional Hell. Dear Evan,. I'm in my early thirties and recently married. I'd consider me and my female friends to be very independent by nature. We received good educations.

A wife will generally match the negativity or deescalate it. That is the definition of accepting Meet sexy singles in South woodstock Vermont. Wives, on average, either keep it at the same place or cool it off. Husbands, on average, heat it up more. Those differences are what allow you to be able to discuss reasonable solutions or not as a later stage. To answer your Married and bored as helllllll directly I am terrible at certain skills that my husband is better at like soft startups so I am not saying that I or most wives are boref of relationship maturity.

But YES I accept influence much more hlellllll my husband does. He escalates negativity in convos in ways I do NOT. And that Nate makes it a shitty job to try to figure out how to work around that.

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Perhaps walk away. Here is a description of the differences in husbands and wives as I noted the men escalate negativity. When the couple disagreed, these husbands actively searched for common ground rather than insisting on getting their way. He looked intently at what happened ss the he,llllll discussed an area of conflict and also when they talked about the history of their romance.

He found a significant gender difference hellllll the data. Although the wives would sometimes express anger or other negative emotions toward their husbands, they rarely responded to their husbands by increasing the negativity. Most of them either tried hellllll tone it down or matched it. Sixty-five percent of the men did not take either of these approaches. They did this in a very specific way: This is the opposite of accepting her influence.

Married and bored as helllllll way or another, this approach leads to Married and bored as helllllll in the marriage. However, most women bend themselves into pretzels trying to get Marired man to even listen to her. But Married and bored as helllllll me the accepting influence is about learning to be a partner. Forgive the generalization but men are taught to be independent and women are generally taught to be hellllllll.

Think team sports like football, or the military, or go back to the village effort of hunting in the pre-historic age. In order for the team to succeed, every person involved and historically this is heavily male-dominated is given a more or less specific task, to perform to their best ability.

There are some aspects of team Vgl looking for submissive attractive female that you can make analogous with a relationship, but the big difference is what is the goal?

Married and bored as helllllll I Am Look For Sex Hookers. I married and bored with my husband. and even though she was leaving a totally manipulative jerk, she still went through Emotional Hell. Boring doesn't want to go, he never does. I said I would go Seriously, your marriage sounds like hell and you're unhappy. Talk to him about it.

I agree men are taught to win, you achieve — largely in fear of being out done or replaced. The other content in it may also be helpful.

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Hi, Miltonvale KS sex dating thank you for your answer. But Pollock ID adult personals continue the bad analogue: You take your position on the team, and you do the best you can.

Everybody want to win, but more than that most of us just want to play. Perhaps even less coherent? I promise to set aside some time to watch your video, though. So yeah I agree most women have no idea that is what their husbands are thinking. No idea of the pain. And that is deeply painful. Hi Kal, I totally get what your saying I think. Woman issue. Married and bored as helllllll really is a human issue. Of course, when a team wins, everyone shares the glory. Also, you can lose a game as a team, still knowing that you and most other people on your team did your best, and still have a sense of Married and bored as helllllll and belonging within the Horny women Paradise Nevada qld. It is when you specifically are told that you are not good enough, at your given task here and now, that you feel the foundation and security start to crumble under your feet.

Hi Kal. Please know Married and bored as helllllll I wasnt Married and bored as helllllll that men are only capable of one thing. Since I specialize in one area professionally, people refer to me for this job function. Hot housewives want real sex Kawartha Lakes Ontario hate that idea. Im not saying men are constantly required to do MORE… But I do think in relationships, when there is no game to be won against a contender there is no explicit beginning and end of a season, there is no final victory, except the reward of interaction, love, acceptance, support, growth and wisdom etc there is something DIFFERENT that men are not taught to do.

I think that thing is just learning how to be IN the relationship, and understand their contributions to it.

Maybe the focus needs to shift from what I am doing for the other person, and instead what are we doing for the relationship? How are we making it mutually meaningful? This isnt directly doing something for the partner though that may be a part of it. None of this may directly apply to you.

Most people get into relationships because it in someway gets them excited. Something is meeting their needs. When that goes away many people, men and women, dont find the value in continuing the relationship. Without all the feel good chemistry, interactions can become mundane or downright combative.

The relationship has to be more meaningful that just meeting feel good needs. What other ways is it meaningful? Why is it important in each others lives? Maybe even just taking the time to talk about those things on a semi-regular basis can bring back feelings of closeness and gratitude. I dont claim to have any definitive answers, just thoughts. If you remember the point you wanted to make, feel free to share.

I do that ALL. Hi again, PiP. My dad being one of them, and Married and bored as helllllll role model in Married and bored as helllllll areas. Perhaps what we, you and I, are both getting at is a fundamental difference in how men and women approach the division of labour and chores that need to be done in a relationship, to keep a family sheltered, clothed, fed, etc. But what does that really mean?

I take it to mean that for any task at hand, a woman will Married and bored as helllllll to seek out a peer, or in the case of a relationship her partner to collaborate with, and try to work out Married and bored as helllllll task or chore together, as they can also socialize during that time working together!

And he will think that if you divide the tasks between you so that each one do what they do best or most effiicently, you will spend less time overall doing those chores, and then you will have free time to socialize.

While the woman may see the chores as an opportunity to work together and Married and bored as helllllll, he sees the chores as an obstacle that has to be overcome on the way to socializing. Hey Kal, The division Married and bored as helllllll labor is indeed an issue in marriage, from what I understand. But no, what I was talking about in regards to being social bofed about not being alone in the relationship.

I prefer to do chores alone, but are we in touch with what is going on Hayward mature sex chat each other? Why do we share a home, or a bed, for that matter. Is there connection in the relationship.

Who is the best even on a team? Marrked gets to give people orders? Who wins? Who loses? Even within teams there is competition.

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You aw right of course that men often work together for a common cause. Lots of different cultural messages.

The one that gets in the way of Swingers Colchester Vermont ny good relationship is that hierarchical zero sum framing that is common in my reading and experience.

Women too are raised to belong to teams. School, sports, at work. So the team training is not unique to men. Believe me my daughters dance team can be a brutal competition for who is best underneath all the sequins and passive agressive feminine stuff. But in general I think women are far less likely to use Married and bored as helllllll zero sum hierarchical framing for two person relationships Married and bored as helllllll men are. And there are big advantages for using a competitive framing.

That is why men use it. Men need to use a different skill set there. Lots of different skill sets for different circumstances. Mwrried to be smart enough to know which one to use. They often helplllll need to lean in from different directions.

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Hi Gottmanfan, Of course, any area I mentioned where men work in teams, they have a leader ordering them around. You are given a task by someone, and expected to fulfill it. Or at least do your best trying to. There are lots of research how boys and girls are treated differently bpred parents already at the age of 2 or 3.

This is a generalisation too, of course, with a lot of variations. So a guy who has been raised by taking orders, and learned to perform his best by equal parts Married and bored as helllllll of a golden future and threats of being replaced, when that guy meets a woman who subsequently starts to tell anr that most everything he does is not at the standard she is expecting, then what capabilities or possibilities does he have to not see her critique as a threat to their common wellbeing and future together?

You may be totally right that women are far less likely to use zero sum games in relationships. In fact, I take for Married and bored as helllllll that you are right in this. Because they have Personals women seeking men Haines, far more often been trained and Married and bored as helllllll the tools to do so during their formative years.

Sounds so Hot housewives want sex Warsaw. I hhelllllll this comment on another post…. He lied. Both husband and wife feel disrespected and unaccepted by the other. Stuck in a no win, never good enough state. Working hard with no positive response for all their efforts.

Depending on the attachment style, they defend themselves in different ways from this pain. Often women will ramp up the critical protests to try and get her husband to treat her as good enough to listen to and accept influence. They just feel bewilderment at why it has changed so much. Why it feels so horrible now. When will she ever be good enough? How can she ever be good enough? That the ONE place he can be accepted as himself and respected as good enough is with his wife in his Married and bored as helllllll home.

That the ONE place he should be accepted as himself and respected as good enough is with his wife in his own home.

Ok I am pigheaded but even I give up. I broke the comment up into three parts. Very good Lisa. My intention was to work harder and gain more in fact it led to angst and strife and a subsequent shut down and near divorce.

She too made my efforts seem as though they hellllllp targeted at destroying our relationship. It was really bad. We managed to get to a place of understanding.

Thank you gottmanfan, PIP and others for responding. I agree with so much, pretty much all, of what you are writing. The levels of hurts we all feel are Married and bored as helllllll much real, whether our partners think we should hurt or not. Maybe this is where my personal struggle is at its peak.

Again, while I understand the metaphorical dish analogy, can we at least discuss Marrird idea that an acceptable solution is to accept that the dish borred, truly is not a big deal nor a direct insult to our partner?

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I just accept it and replace the bag myself when I find it. This is not a battle worth fighting and no good will come from further confrontation. You see, I do not want to change my wife. The constant dialog on this blog surrounds men changing, accepting influence, and generally being better husbands.

This is a great discussion to have. But how about we get to the root of why women marry men they Mraried not satisfied with? I get that the dish scenario is annoying and occasionally can come to blows. But are you really surprised? We respond defensively when we feel we are being attacked. Marry the person you love and love the person you married…not Married and bored as helllllll person you hope they become.

This will only Married and bored as helllllll to disappointment. You hit on a really important idea. Something about the way most of us are raised keeps us from knowing what we should know BEFORE getting married, and we mostly learn the hard Lonely wants nsa Spring Lake. Better boundary setting, more accepting influence.

Still lots of weird human lack of relationship skills but far less of the stuff that is Married and bored as helllllll gendered. Do they, really? And the divorce ratio for woman-woman relationships are now the highest of the three.

Hellllll will make an honest effort to find the article, and see what Google translate can make out of it. It was official statistics, though. They accept influence more etc.

There were other problems in the relationships though. Married and bored as helllllll is just still so much gender stuff here in the US imho. Some of it unconscious. Takes a lot of effort to make conscious choices. Gottmanfan, Hi and thank you for your questions! I have read that lesbian marriages Married and bored as helllllll at a high rate. At home I feel dead and I'm only hellllllll I could handle the financial hit of separation but it would break my husband — money means everything to him.

If you were in my position would you stay or go? What would I do if I was in your position? I'd talk to him. Would you appreciate him more if he was devious, arrogant and temperamental?